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brianadragon
03-18-2014, 02:48 PM
Yesterday I was thinking about posting one of my tutorials here, so I decided to go looking around and see what kinds of things other people had posted and how they were doing it. I came across a post with some comments that really got me thinking.

Basically, the people were saying that if someone posts a photo and a link off the forums to the tutorial that they don't ever bother to click it, they want people to post the full tutorial in the forums. They made it sound like linking off to a blog was a bad thing. I disagree.

It makes perfect sense that if someone has a blog, they're going to post the tutorial there and then only post the link in a forum like this. It's completely reasonable. It seems wrong to me for people to expect the artisan to post their tutorial for free in the forums if that's not what they really want to do.

Someone said that it felt to them like the people off-linking were just trying to get traffic. As if that made the still free tutorial something less just because it's not posted directly to the forum. I don't think it is. You're still getting a free tutorial, what's the big deal if you have to click a link to get to it?

I can understand getting upset if someone is posting links leading you to believe that you're getting a free tutorial, then when you click the link you're asked to pay. That's misleading and wrong. However, if you're still getting free instruction, why complain over having to go to someone's blog to read it?

The way I see it, the artisan took the time to create the item, take photos, write up all the instructions and share it, giving them a hit on their blog is really nothing in exchange for all that. Sure, they're probably hoping that you read more or maybe buy something they have advertised on their site, but that's fine, they have to make money somehow. Everyone does.

If someone wants to post directly on a forum, fine. If they don't, people shouldn't disregard what they have to offer or talk like that person is some kind of spammer. If you're still getting something for nothing, I can't understand the complaint. I'll gladly click a link and go to someone's blog to see a tutorial. I'll probably look around while I'm there, and I've actually found some good sites that way.

It just makes me wonder. If people here are so against off-linking, it means I'll probably never share any of my tutorials here. An artisan deserves something for their time, even if it's just a hit or two on their site and maybe a social share. I totally respect people wanting to keep things on their own site and I'm grateful any time an artisan is willing to tell the world how they do something without asking us to pay for it.

Angela
03-18-2014, 03:42 PM
That was probably me doing all of the complaining.

I will explain myself. Funnily enough I do agree with what you are saying!

I get a little bothered when people pop in here, post a few links to their blog and leave. Or ONLY ever post links to their own blogs and don't participate in other areas of the forum, or in other people's threads. Sure, they totally deserve credit for creating a tutorial, and even more if the craft is something they totally dreamed up themselves, but it is more about the level of Craft Forum participation I have the big problem with.
I see this forum (and I am just a member, nothing more) as a place for crafters to interact, get help, get inspiration, brag a little about our amazing craftiness ;) , or even laugh at our attempts when they don't turn out. But we all talk to each other. THAT is what I think makes this forum great. I have "met" some people here that I consider friends even though we have never met in person, or even seen a picture of each other. So when people come in here and simply post "I made something, see how I did it here *link*" It bothers me because they are not involved in our community.
Those are the types of posters that I tend to spout off about. And it is just my opinion.

Having said that I have been known to click on links that look interesting to me. I have followed members' blogs, and I almost always click on signature links at least once to check them out. I have learned all sorts of nifty things in this forum, and although I can't think of anything offhand, I am sure I have gotten ideas from links within the forum.

I hope that makes some sense. And that I have redeemed myself at least a little. I am not the best at putting my thoughts into clear sentences.

brianadragon
03-18-2014, 04:16 PM
I had no intention of pointing any fingers, and honestly, I wasn't paying attention to who the users were. It was just the conversation that got me.

I understand what you mean, and I can see it from that point of view. I'd be annoyed too if someone only used the forums as a promotional platform and that's it. That's why I try to be careful. I want a community first and foremost, but a gal's got to make a living too. I make a point of coming in every day since I joined and interacting somewhere or other.

I've actually gotten a kick out of the "new posts" list, because you and I seem to be almost the only active people here right now. I'm hoping it's just a temporary lull and people will be back soon. I totally need some people to chat with and to pick brains on for crafty ideas! :)

Speaking of... I need to get my butt moving on some new necklaces if I can manage to detach the cat from my lap.

pinokeeo
03-18-2014, 05:21 PM
Just so you know, you are not the only active people here. There are a few. People come and go, just like any other social site.

The objection that most of us have to people who post and leave is that there is NO interaction with those people. And most of the ones who do the videos post the links because they get paid when people click on the video link.

I have no objection to following links. I do it quite often. I just don't want to continually follow links when I can get something here at "home".

And for your information, I am on long term medical leave for a three-tier surgery. If you look around, you will find that I post a lot when I'm posting. Just not right now.

brianadragon
03-18-2014, 08:11 PM
Oh my, sorry about your surgery pinokeeo. I hope you're doing better now from whatever it was.

I hope it gets good and active again. I remember how fun it was to be a member of a busy community. I used to be part of BidVille, if anyone remembers them, and our community was really great for a while. Oddly it started becoming a battleground shortly before the site went boom. I loved having a place to come every day and hang out with my internet friends. I'm hoping I can have that again here.

pinokeeo
03-18-2014, 08:35 PM
I'm here every day, several times a day. But most of the time I'm working on moderator stuff. I always have time for a chat or two. The problem that most of us have is that we don't all do the same type of crafts, so we can't always chat about it. We are pretty laid back about chatter of any kind, as long as we aren't hijacking someone else's thread.

As for my surgery, I still have a few more months of healing time, so my crafting is limited. I'll get there, though.

brianadragon
03-18-2014, 08:56 PM
Well, I hope you can get back to your crafting soon. I took a long break from crafting to write and I really missed it, so I bet you're going a little nuts for it :)

I guess I'm lucky in the fact that I've done a ton of different kinds of crafts and I tend to mix media even when I'm doing jewelry. I can flow along with just about any kind of craft talk, which is actually pretty cool. I actually put up an album with a variety of my work to kind of show that eclectic side of me. Unfortunately I don't have photos of a lot of the stuff I've done anymore.

winklesun
04-15-2014, 12:14 PM
helloooo I'm here. A couple of times I have started a big hullabaloo unintentionally.

I agree that it is annoying when people don't try to interact. What about that darn maytag repairman! He hasn't said anything besides putting his ad on here. haha
Anybody else notice?

pinokeeo
04-15-2014, 12:24 PM
That maytag repairman only shows up when you don't log in. Ever notice?

Angela
04-15-2014, 12:56 PM
helloooo I'm here. A couple of times I have started a big hullabaloo unintentionally.

I agree that it is annoying when people don't try to interact. What about that darn maytag repairman! He hasn't said anything besides putting his ad on here. haha
Anybody else notice?

You have started a hullabaloo? (that is some sort of controversy, right?) I don't remember that.....


What are you guys talking about? Maytag repair man? (should be the busiest guy in the world, not the loneliest, in my opinion.... but I won't go any further into that!)

pinokeeo
04-15-2014, 04:50 PM
Some time ago, Craft Forum started putting ads on here that only can be seen by people who lurk about but never sign up. Once they signed up, the ads would go away.

So if you come here and you aren't logged in, you might see ads that you would never see otherwise.

winklesun
04-19-2014, 12:59 AM
Oh I see. Most of the time I log in but sometimes I think I am and I am not.
My computer does strange things sometimes. I guess I am an accidental lurker. haha

winklesun
04-19-2014, 01:01 AM
Speaking of the maytag repairman.. we have a maytag high efficiency furnace and it is awful. It started breaking down 3 months after we got it and the maytag man has been here I think about 5 times since then. He doesn't look anything like what I thought he should.

LillyBells
04-27-2014, 02:36 PM
I'm new here, but I noticed this problem as well. I've seen a number of threads where the OP had only a few posts to their name and were already dropping links.

I suppose it's to be expected in a forum. Maybe it would help to change the forum settings so that you can only post links after making X number of productive/worthwhile posts. I've seen this kind of system work well on other forums. All new members are essentially on probation.

pinokeeo
04-27-2014, 11:49 PM
This is worth thinking about. It might slow down some of the spammers.

ebba
05-20-2014, 05:33 AM
I agree, I don't se the problem with posting a link next to a pic. or video... I also get that somebody is "just" promoting him/herself... maybe s/he promots good tuturals... I don't mind..I dont have so much time to chat..and many times I read the posts but have nothing to add....